Boilies - Pop Ups, Is there a correct height?

[Carpoholic]

I'm always pissed mate. Livet är en fest! - Life is a party! If all the freebies is hidden in silt or weed, what is the pint in baiting, eh? Sure it depends on the situation.. If U are fishing a 5 oz inline lead in a super-deep-silty lake, then the 3 inch pop-up will probably catch more than a bottombait. But hey, who does?

The point in baiting up is the fact that the carp can and will SMELL the baits before it can see them! And when the big fat F******** carp sniffs it out the first one it sees is the 3 Inch pop up

5 oz inline lead in a super-deep-silty lake?????
Then i would use a helicopter silt rig, so the lead sinks in the shiiiiite and not the bait.

But hey thats me

Hit me with some more bitch

[carpfenmazter]

The point in baiting up is the fact that the carp can and will SMELL the baits before it can see them! And when the big fat F******** carp sniffs it out the first one it sees is the 3 Inch pop up

5 oz inline lead in a super-deep-silty lake?????
Then i would use a helicopter silt rig, so the lead sinks in the shiiiiite and not the bait.

But hey thats me

Hit me with some more bitch

Exactly mate, and if the hookbait will rest on top of the silt, then so will the freebies. So the situation will always be one where the hookbait AND the freebies will show.

[Lazinko]

Lite illa att du(carpoholic) försöker sätta dit andra (mig) o få dem idiotförklarade, bara för du tror du vet bättre. Och på så sätt vill visa det för andra. Jag vet att jag inte fiskar mina beten högt (till karp) och ville bara säga vad jag tyckte om just din rig, även om du har flera hundra andra. Jag tycker personligen det är bättre att ha några (2-3) metoder som man vet funkar än o köra på 200 olika

[Carpoholic]

I will try write in english, just for you

I don't really know where to start, it is so much to comment/answear.
But i do know that the fishingpressure is alot bigger in the UK than swedish waters,
But at the same time i wrote why i personally think you should fish the pop-up lower, not about the fishingpressure.
In all the carpfishingmovies i've seen Korda is the only one having underwater-camera scenes. And what i saw in that movie really convinced me that the fish having harder to pickup highly fished popups than bottombaits,
In the movie i think the carp missed about 5 popups and none bottombait or nearly pop-uped baits. And i personally dont think the carps having easier to pick up pop-up baits in sweden, than in the UK.

And why not learn of the movies? the guy is truely experienced!

"I agree with you in saying that a carp is a "Bottom Feeder", it is predominatly a bottom feeder. But what you are saying is utter crap!
If what you are saying is true, then why have i (and thousands of other carp fishermen) caught carp from the surface, under the surface, in mid water and in every other depth of the water that there is??? i.e Surface fishing with bread, dog biscuits etc....... and float fishing with sweetcorn and luncheon meat etc..........???
Well, it's simple really, Carp will feed in any depth/area of water if there is a food source available there. That is a known fact."
- I know the carp feeds where the food is, not only at the bottom. but now we where talking about bottomfishing with boilies and popups, not about dog-food (?)stalking(?) and i was just telling you what i thought about your rig.


"But you CANNOT adapt your carp fishing to every situation because of what you saw in one video Carp fishing is about taking into consideration the situation on the day and then deciding which way YOU think is best to fish that day.
There are a lot of things to take into account, for instance, Weather, temperature, swim choice, time of year, fishing pressure, size of the lake/river, carp stocks and many many many more, those are just to name a few of the main ones. It would be very niave and ignorant to fish every lake, river, reservior, pond, pit, or puddle by what you have seen on ONE video. That is a guideline for you and is flexible, not a Rule!"
- I have been thinking alot about what the guy in the kordamovie said, and ofcourse you shall adapt your fishing to the situation. But i don't think the carp having it easier to pickup the bait in different conditions, i think it is pretty general!


A long answear... imo

But i do know that the fishingpressure is alot bigger in the UK than swedish waters, YES IT IS

But at the same time i wrote why i personally think you should fish the pop-up lower, not about the fishingpressure. AS I SAID, IT DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION AND DOWN TO THE ANGLERS OWN PERSONAL PREFERENCE. YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT THE PHOTO IS A "TESTING TANK" AND I MAYBE WOULDN'T USE THAT RIG ON GRAVEL AS IN THE PIC, BUT THEN AGAIN MAYBE I WOULD.
I KNOW YOU WERN'T TALKING ABOUT THE FISHING PRESSURE, I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I MEANT.
In all the carpfishingmovies i've seen Korda is the only one having underwater-camera scenes. I HAVE SEEN A FEW OTHERS, KEVIN MADDOCKS DID ONE IF I REMEMBER RIGHTLY AND THEY ARE VERY EDUCATIONAL TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY GOES ON UNDER THE SURFACE. And what i saw in that movie really convinced me that the fish having harder to pickup highly fished popups than bottombaits, AGAIN, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION, I MEAN, I WOULD NOT POP UP A BAIT 6FT OFF THE BOTTOM UNLESS THE SITUATION MEANT I HAD TO, AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED. I HAVE POPPED UP BAITS THE LENGTH OF THE HOOKLINK BEFORE NOW. WHY? BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY IN THE GIVEN SITUATION!! IT WAS IN BORÅS ACTUALLY AND I HAD VERY GOOD REASONS FOR DOING IT.
In the movie i think the carp missed about 5 popups and none bottombait or nearly pop-uped baits. And i personally dont think the carps having easier to pick up pop-up baits in sweden, than in the UK. OR MAYBE THE CARP HAD SEEN THE POP UPS BUT THE POP UPS SPOOKED THE CARP AS IT ASSOSIATED POP UPS WITH DANGER. WHO KNOWS?
And why not learn of the movies? the guy is truely experienced!
WHO WAS HE?


I know the carp feeds where the food is, not only at the bottom. but now we where talking about bottomfishing with boilies and popups, not about dog-food (?)stalking(?) and i was just telling you what i thought about your rig.
NO, YOU SAID THAT CARP ONLY FEED ON THE BOTTOM AS WILL NOT TAKE FOOD/BAIT APART FROM THE BOTTOM, SO REALLY YOU ARE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. I DONT MEAN THAT IN A NASTY WAY, IT SEEMS YOU ARE CHANGING YOUR STORY NOW. (OR IS MY TRANSLATOR WRONG)


I have been thinking alot about what the guy in the kordamovie said, and ofcourse you shall adapt your fishing to the situation. But i don't think the carp having it easier to pickup the bait in different conditions, i think it is pretty general!
FROM MY EXPERIENCE IN BRITAIN, I USED TO FISH WITH BREAD ON THE SURFACE AT DAWN AND DUSK, THEY WERE EXCELLENT TIMES TO TAKE CARP OFF THE SURFACE. YOU COULDNT PICK THEM UP OFF THE BOTTOM WITH A BOILIE AT THOSE TIMES. IT ONLY LASTED FOR MAYBE 2 HOURS MAXIMUM BUT THE CARP FED ON THE SURFACE AT THOSE TIMES AND THEY WERE THERE FOR THE TAKING. MAYBE ITS JUST THOSE BRITISH CARP, WHO KNOWS?. BUT CARP WILL PICK UP BAITS IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT CONDITIONS AND AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR AND DAY. AS FOR THEM HAVING IT EASIER, IT PROBABLY DOES NOT BOTHER THEM HOW THEY GET THIER FOOD OR WHERE FROM PROVIDING ITS IN THE WATER AND ACCESSIBLE. THEY WILL HAVE BEEN DOING IT ALL THIER LIVES.
ACTUALLY I SAW A CARP SNEAK OUT OF BALLASJÖN ONE NIGHT AT TRY TO STEAL MY OST MACKOR FROM UNDER MY BEDCHAIR, YEAH THE SWEDISH CARP ARE "MYCKET SMARTARE" YOU KNOW

[Lazinko]

at the same time i did NOT EVEN MENTION any surfacefishing, just bottomfishing. i've even caught carp on flyfishing with "öronproppar" so i do know carp eat at the surface.

The korda movies is presented by Danny Fairbrass.


And i don't think it depends on the situation when the carp picks up a popup on a swim. When they are hoovering the bottom they often miss a highly fished pop-up!
and i'm sure it's a bigger catchingrate on low-presentated popup (1inch, 2.5cm) than a popup fished 2-3inches from the bottom, 5-7.5 cm.

[Carpoholic]

Lite illa att du(carpoholic) försöker sätta dit andra (mig) o få dem idiotförklarade, bara för du tror du vet bättre. Och på så sätt vill visa det för andra. Jag vet att jag inte fiskar mina beten högt (till karp) och ville bara säga vad jag tyckte om just din rig, även om du har flera hundra andra. Jag tycker personligen det är bättre att ha några (2-3) metoder som man vet funkar än o köra på 200 olika

1. I am not trying to make you look an idiot infront of others whatsoever. i am just giving my opinion in answer to your questions. This maybe one fucked up world we live in, but we are still allowed to voice our opinions whether you think they are right or wrong.

2. You are getting angry for no reason at all, if you disagree with me then say so instead of making out as if i am picking on you, which i am not!

3. I dont think i am better than you, that is very sad to think that just because i disagree in what you have to say. Its constructive not destructive.
And it certainly doesn't matter how many rigs i have, that is beside the point. You have your personal preferences, as you say, and i have mine.
I have a personal preference of about 5 different wobblers when pike fishing maybe you have 200? If you get my point.

4. I thought you may have learnt something from this thread, but it seems it has only irratated you and that i wanted to make you look a fool. So lets see what others have to say.
If you want to argue, do it with someone else, i refuse to entertain you.

So take a chill pill mate and dont jump in FEET FIRST......................

[Carpoholic]

at the same time i did NOT EVEN MENTION any surfacefishing, just bottomfishing. i've even caught carp on flyfishing with "öronproppar" so i do know carp eat at the surface.

The korda movies is presented by Danny Fairbrass.


And i don't think it depends on the situation when the carp picks up a popup on a swim. When they are hoovering the bottom they often miss a highly fished pop-up!
and i'm sure it's a bigger catchingrate on low-presentated popup (1inch, 2.5cm) than a popup fished 2-3inches from the bottom, 5-7.5 cm.

Lazinko, have you read anything that i have said??

Lets leave it there shall we

[Lazinko]

okej.
"Firstly take a look at this picture that i have uploaded,

here is the link to the pic : http://fiskesnack.dyndns.org/fiskes...ge.php?iid=4512


then read the entries below. (if you can be bothered that is )
Then please, by all means give us your opinions???"

imo i think that is to say: Look at this! who do you think is the best?
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"So take a chill pill mate and dont jump in FEET FIRST...................... "
It is better jump with the feet first than jump in with the head first

BTW, everybody thinking "wrong" shall get a big censure-stamp just like the good ole russia.... ironic

[Carpoholic]

That's a whole load of wisedom Chris, many thanks!

Thanks mate, im glad to see it was maybe worth my while writing all that after all.

[Carpoholic]

okej.
"Firstly take a look at this picture that i have uploaded,

here is the link to the pic : http://fiskesnack.dyndns.org/fiskes...ge.php?iid=4512


then read the entries below. (if you can be bothered that is )
Then please, by all means give us your opinions???"

imo i think that is to say: Look at this! who do you think is the best?
--------
"So take a chill pill mate and dont jump in FEET FIRST...................... "
It is better jump with the feet first than jump in with the head first

BTW, everybody thinking "wrong" shall get a big censure-stamp just like the good ole russia.... ironic

Yes thats right, its what we call a errrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm a discussion.
I have been very polite to you in this DISCUSSION, dont rock the boat.
I was actually trying to teach you a few things if you hadn't realised.
Waste of time really, eh??
If i want a fight i will go to the pub and start one.
Stop being so immature, please. You know you are the best i will admit that, i'm just a PBI

Goodnight, gotta get up for Vimmerby in 2 hours.